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Chakote
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Posted: Mon 26 Feb, 2007 2:46 AM
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Well, I can see why we disagree here, because I definetly am not in favour of privatizing health care, and I definetly do not believe that every health problem is fixable or must be fixed with drugs or surgery.
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miriam
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 12:19 AM
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Ok --made mistake in the paragraph --meant to say not all health problems can be or need to be fixed by surgery or drugs -----& no --I don't agree with privatizing health care either --but certainly our gov. needs to make an effort to make it easier to get more trained people in the areas of medical care that we have shortages . I'm suggesting that our gov. invest in higher medical technologies & training in these technology areas to push our healthcare level up to a higher level of professionalism ---any knew methods that shorten hospital stays should be implemented --when we start getting results --its going to cut hospital expenses ----we will see the results ---people will benefit ---
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On my quote about vitamin & mineral deficiencies --to control the production of body chemicals ---its two sided --as far as how many agree or disagree about the treatments with vitamins & mineral deficiencies ---& we just had some news of studies done in a Copenhagen University review of studies on people taking antiioxidant supplements in Europe ,US. & Canada --roughly about 20 % of adults take them --these studies done in 68 studies of random populations found antioxidant supplements did nothing & even suggested that it could harm one if exceeding the normal level of doseages ---even to point of relating to a nummber of deaths ---it was meant to urge people to stop taking them --stop buying them --but we know for a fact that iron deficiencies can be prevented with iron injections --we know that B6 reduces many symptoms in menopausal women if taken daily ----those are just two examples of how supplements can help --its been proven ---its evidence available to everyone --
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The problem is ---our gov. is saying no --we don't want to be bothered raising the level of professionalism in Canada --lets just accept more doctors already trained from other countries that will fix the problem ---but it has not because these doctors are said to be not trained to our standards -so lets just fix it with contracted out professionals to take up the slack in our hospitals --but that does not solve the shortage of doctors for people in small communities who need daily visits with a family doctor --& a health line phone number just does n't fill that need especially with young families with young children --its just not good enough . Would you not agree that the gov. should be pushing towards a higher level of medical healthcare professionalism in Canada ? Raising wages isn't going to do much of anything at all.
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Chakote
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Posted: Wed 28 Feb, 2007 5:05 PM
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Okay, we're on the same page.
One more thing,
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but that does not solve the shortage of doctors for people in small communities who need daily visits with a family doctor --& a health line phone number just does n't fill that need especially with young families with young children --its just not good enough
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In order to solve that problem, we need quantity as well as quality. More highly trained medical staff will be put to best use in large urban areas, but numbers still need to go up in order to spread top-quality medical care throughout all our rural areas.
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Posted: Tue 06 Mar, 2007 10:31 PM
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Yes --we need doctors who are trained in the higher level technologies & methods --but we could have people trained in specific areas of methods , treatments & technologies --it goes hand in hand --the methods & technologies are so important but we can't expect a doctor to handle all of this --its going to have to be spread amongst the people willing to take on just one specific area of medical care --we already have specialized areas in a hospital but this would have to be expanded---I see great strides for people who are willing to add to this expansion in medical care for Canadians ---in other words --they will not be trained just as doctors --but they will be asked which specifics of medical technology they wish to be trained in . Hospitals will rise to become the main stay for medical treatment--not doctor's offices for proceedures & care . Which is the way it should be with a higher level of professionalism . I would think that going in this direction is the more sensible path & hospitals will become larger because of it ---training will & should continue in hospitals as an added benefit but on a much larger scale than it has been in the last 50 yrs. The new technologies will also need more intense training in these technologies as the years go by but on a different higher level always raising the professionalism & as well nursing will follow to complement these areas --more intense training in patient care & followups & dietary innovations . Perhaps nurses could be trained to do blood analysis to the point of administering some treatments & followups in these areas . It just makes good sense to go in this direction .
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Posted: Sun 06 Apr, 2008 9:45 PM
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Here is a news article I found:
In short, it tells the story of a woman who worked for Wal-Mart stocking shelves, and was injured in a major car accident with a semi truck. Wal-Mart's worker insurance program was forced to pay her medical bills, because that's what insurance is, and the woman won a lawsuit of over a half million dollars from the parties responsible for the trucking accident. After legal fees, there was a little more than $400,000 left over for a trust fund, which would be used to care for the woman, since she is now brain damaged, in a wheelchair, and is living in a long term care home.
Well, that's too bad, because Wal-Mart insists the money belongs to them. Because she won a lawsuit and collected financial compensation for damages (namely, the damage to her brain that ensures she will never again live a normal life), Wal-Mart insists that she must pay them back for all the insurance money they spent on her care before the lawsuit was filed.
So now, she has zero dollars left, and the multinational Wal-Mart now has another half-million dollars to add to their existing $1 billion/month of revenue. Oh, yeah, she also has an overworked cancer surviving husband who works two jobs, and a son who was killed in Iraq. When asked to comment, Wal-Mart had this to say, "Wal-Mart’s plan is bound by very specific rules. … We wish it could be more flexible in Mrs. Shank’s case since her circumstances are clearly extraordinary, but this is done out of fairness to all associates who contribute to, and benefit from, the plan." (read: we don't give a shit. so shut up, die a quiet death, and give us our fucking money back).
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=144&a=5813
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Posted: Tue 22 Apr, 2008 11:39 PM
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I'd like to bring some information from another side into this discussion.....
Now first, understand that I'm in no way actively arguing against you, just putting some more info on the table for the sake of discussion.
I watched an episode of Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" series, called 'Wal-Mart Hate". In that episode, it talks about how even though Wal-Mart does a lot of the shitty thing every other company in North America does, they are still a necessity in our society and aren't exactly "the bad guys".
Think of it like this: in a city without any large chain retailers like Wal-Mart, the only businesses around would obviously be locally-owned. Places that are locally-owned generally can't hire as many employees, have to charge a little more for products, and are in competition with just about every other locally-owned business. So, it's not only difficult to actually get hired by them, it's also less than convenient to buy things from them, especially if you're talking about a large grocery order. I imagine if I bought my usual $30 to $40 of groceries at a small business instead of a larger retail store, it'd probably cost me about 25% more, simply because they have to charge more to make ends meet.
This is where places like Wal-Mart come in. They're a big business, so they can afford to hire a lot of people with little credentials, and also give you what you need for less, because they're trying to beat out everyone else's prices. Sad to say, but if it wasn't for places like Wal-Mart, I imagine there'd be an even bigger unemployment problem, not to mention I'd weigh about 10 lbs less.
I'd also like to point out something about the slave labor Wal-Mart and other large chains often get accused of supporting. In the "sweat shops" as they are called, those workers often get paid quite a bit more than the average wage in their countries. So even though they may only make a few bucks an hour, they're still making a good chunk relatively speaking. I'm not saying they don't deserve at least the equivalent of $7 or $8 an hour, but just saying it's not as bad as it's often made out to be... and, again, without Wal-Mart those people would be out of jobs and food too.
Just something to think about. I believe the Bullshit episode I'm talking about is available in 3 parts on Youtube, unless it's been removed since.
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Posted: Sun 27 Apr, 2008 6:54 PM
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Daelin wrote:
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I watched an episode of Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" series, called 'Wal-Mart Hate". In that episode, it talks about how even though Wal-Mart does a lot of the shitty thing every other company in North America does ...
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There's the kicker. Wal-Mart gets ragged on for all kinds of things that nearly every large business has done. That's something I noticed when I watched WAL-MART: The High Cost of Low Price. The criticisms in that documentary could be applied to hundreds of other companies if the filmmakers had some kind of personal vendetta against them.
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Chakote
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Posted: Sun 27 Apr, 2008 8:26 PM
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Daelin wrote:
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I imagine if I bought my usual $30 to $40 of groceries at a small business instead of a larger retail store, it'd probably cost me about 25% more, simply because they have to charge more to make ends meet.
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That's fine with me. It's not like there would be a separate butcher, produce store, dairy shop, etc. You can have a large grocery or whatever type of store without being a faceless multinational corporation whose only goal is to buy and sell things as cheaply as possible, and make as much profit as possible, regardless of the environmental or social costs.
I don't understand why they think jobs would be a problem. Wal-Mart buys more of suppliers' goods than any other store, so they have the power to bid down their prices. The only way the manufacturer can survive financially while meeting Wal-Mart's low cost ultimatum is by laying off workers and moving their manufacturing facilities to other countries, where people work for less. That's why there is no more manufacturing sector in North America; because of corporations like Wal-Mart.
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There's the kicker. Wal-Mart gets ragged on for all kinds of things that nearly every large business has done. That's something I noticed when I watched WAL-MART: The High Cost of Low Price. The criticisms in that documentary could be applied to hundreds of other companies if the filmmakers had some kind of personal vendetta against them.
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I thought that too, but they went into specifics that could only be elaborated on with an actual example, like Wal-Mart's abuse of the Medicaid system.
But it was still a shitty documentary.
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